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Well the summer season is upon the delivery drivers/cab drivers in my city. In the past 3 months I have been watching the headlines in the local newspapers. "Delivery Driver Brutally Assaulted by 3 Black Gunmen" and "Cab Driver Beaten Unconscious by 3 Black Assailants" and my favorite "Elderly Couple Carrying in Groceries Beaten With Pipe by 3 Black Perps."

I simply can't afford a CCW with all the bills I have. I want one so unbelievably bad right now it's not funny. Not to mention I would have to buy another weapon to boot. My Glock 21 is a freaking hand cannon and way too big for a CCW anyway. So what if I kept it in my trunk with a couple of loaded mags hidden on my person? Are we talking years or probation or what?

I do carry a Seal Pup Elite with me sometimes, like I will be tonight when I work. However the articles usually mention the suspects have a shotgun, and 2 pistols. So a knife won't do any good if I get jumped. I don't have much I could do anyway without a small 9mm or compact .45 fully loaded and ready to pull. I would without a doubt lose my job if I was found out to have either a knife or a handgun. I don't care so much about that as long as I live. So what are my options?

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Neither would a gun in the trunk...

just sayin'

If you think you must be armed and you can't carry ON your person, stick it under the seat - And do NOT get caught.

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Depends on the state.

Your plan would be legal in Texas for example.

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You know of all the times I've been pulled over I have never been told they want to search the car because I come off as the generally scared witless good christian kid.

Second when the delivery topper is on the car I NEVER get pulled over no matter how stupid I am. I once was talking on the cell phone and abruptly swerved into another lane and cut off a cop. The lights went on and I pulled over. I swear he gave me the finger and kept on driving. Either that or he was pointing, dunno. So it's not like they are going to check or anything. They generally don't like bothering us when we are working.

The problem is going to come AFTER I bag the bad guys and everyone starts asking for permits and paperwork. Then I will be in some trouble.

The state is MN where that is a big big no-no.

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Have you thought about the bear sized cans of pepper spray? I'm talking the big assed cans, not the little key chain models.

http://www.udap.com/

or

http://www.defensedevices.com/bearpepspray.html

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take the class, for whatever cost, around here is about 60-70 with ammo included. Pay the 10 for the fingerprint card.

You have, roughly, 90 days to submit it before you have the class over again. The license fee here in florida is $117 so wait a few weeks to save up the $117 and then send it all in when you have it. Helps break the cost up.

Could be different in your state though.

In florida, you can keep your loaded gun in the center console, glove box, etc. Anywhere wher eit is "securely encased"

Now, a properly concealed weapon is just that, concealed. So if the fee REALLY is too steep or the wait too long(over 100 day wait right now in florida) then youll have to decide how bad you want to carry.

Dont tell ANYBODY you carry, even at work. Its not their business, whether you are licensed or not.

Get a little Kel Tec P3at or PF9, which are both real nice pocket pisolts. You can put it in your back pocket with a decent pocket holster and itll look like a wallet. You can put it in your front pocket too, if you arent a person(like me) who compulsivley puts their hands in the pockets ALL the time.

I used to do delievery, so I fully understand where you are coming from.


EDIT:
In Florida it is a class 3? FELONY to carry concealed without a license. In Tennessee it is a Misdomeanor. So it really REALLY depends on your state on how big of a wrist slap you get.

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Another thing I am thinking is using the car as a weapon. If they get the jump on me and I am near the car it's doable. Head down, take a quick vector, hit the gas, and wait for the thump of the body. It's sort of like sub hunting. I want to keep my options open.

The people in this city are angry. They really really want these guys dead or the cops to do something. It's almost like the Churchill cry of "Sink the Bismark" and put every ship a sail. Only here it's "Kill the darkies" and arm every citizen.

No I'm not racist but damn. It's the same descriptions in each robbery of 3 black guys. In NORTHERN MINNESOTA. LOL!!!

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couple years in prison is better than being dead

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You live and work their by choice.

My advice is to suck it up and move.

Aaaahhhhh, but that would be a hardship, and the young ones do not want any hardship.

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People carry drugs on their person all the time and don't get caught.

Chances are, you won't get caught.

I say carry illegally, and gradually save up enough for a permit.

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i am not familure with MN.....but most states allow transporting a gun with various methods.

IE ....to and from a gun range...to and from hunting...etc

you might learn your states transport laws......then the only issue is the CCW part of the issue.

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Maybe it's actually the same 3 guys, perpetrating multiple robberies!

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http://www.madfi.org/post/fact_sheet.pdf

your Fu*ked get out of MN move to SD

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Put a pistol or revolver, loaded, into this:

http://www.amazon.com/Secure-It-Secu.../dp/B000HBB15U

That way, it's almost instantaneously available, but, in case a cop stops you, he must get a warrant to get inside the box.

http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal...state-laws.php

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Sounds like you need to hit the right 3 black perps first and all problems solved

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Listen to meatman my brother...truer words were never spoken. U R screwed on all levels. Just hope you can get out of whatever toilet of a city you live in ASAP and by all means, follow your gut instinct and keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut...VD51

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Put a supersized can of Walmart carb cleaner under your seat. Makes pepper spray seem like nice nice.

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Come on down to Ga. We'll find you a job, get you carry permit for 40 bucks and you'll LOVE the weather.

No more cold winters. The food is Unbelievable.


Only one thing better than livin in the South and thats Eatin in the South!

And I haven't even started on what southern girls are like!

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CCW is a trojan horse, they have a list of everyone who is active and "stands out", eventually when confiscation hits, they know exactly where to go. *Bad idea*. Even from the standpoint of rights, you shouldn't have to apply for a right.

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Suck it up and spend the money to get a permit.

If it is that important to you then you can find a way to do it.

Spending the money is better than risking a felony record.

Indiana is now offering a lifetime permit. Yes it is more expensive but it is a one time deal. I always thought it is better to have it than to wait until you think you need it and maybe can't get it.

I'll never let my CCW lapse or my CDL license. In the future these things may be easier to keep than to get a new one.

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$100 for the class and $100 for the permit, takes about two weeks after you apply.

If you had a vehicle with no trunk, just put an unloaded gun in the back with a string on it going up to the driver. Have a magazine upfront with you. Very quick to get the gun and load, and legal. Straight from a Mpls. police officer.

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Sounds like you can put pistol in safe unloaded. Keep loaded mag next to safe and you are obeying their scummy law.

Practice and you could get the whole thing down to a few seconds?

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"unloaded"

To transport a pistol in a motor vehicle, snowmobile or boat if the pistol is unloaded, contained in a closed and fastened case, gun box, or securely tied package.
The key word is unloaded. Here a pistol is not loaded if a round is not in the chamber (Barrel) but in the big city here in this state that will not fly or so I'm told.

So depending on how they take unloaded. You might be able to keep loaded mag in gun if no round in chamber?

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Belly bands are great for concealing fullsized handguns; or you could trade the 21 for something smaller like a 26 or 27.

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Your comments are ignorant. Hardship has nothing to do with it and suggesting that BullionVince is a lazy whiner because he hasn't packed up and left his home because he has questions on the laws there is uncalled for.

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If they start conficating....you wimps better start shooting.

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electrify the back seat
rig up something to the ignition coil(?)

gee officer, must be faulty wiring

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I don't know how much jail time you would get if caught carrying a concealed, loaded handgun without a permit - that depends on how many thousands of dollars you spend on legal fees.

The same is true if you are involved in a shooting, except the bills will be much higher.

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IMHO, you should really think about how things would play out if you actually used an illegally carried firearm to defend yourself. Even if justified, you could likely be screwed. If you tried to hide the act, you're in for years of worry. Either buck up and pay for the permit, even if you have to take a loan, or carry something that is not as detrimental as an illegal handgun. The anti-gun mentality that is so prevalent makes it so if you don't have all of your ducks in a row someone is likely to charge you. You could consider carrying something like this if you want to go short of a handgun (or in addition to it).

http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum3908.php
(this is just the first website that I found the item on when I searched)

a leather sap is a VERY effective defensive weapon, is easy to carry and worst case scenario is probably considered a concealed weapon (not concealed firearm), which in most places is a misdemeanor, not a felony. Even if stopped on street by a police officer, if your are polite and reasonable, I doubt if they would care much. The most important thing in self defense, is to develop a survival mentality so that, once you are in a position where you have decided you have to act; act quickly, aggressively and do not stop until the threat is gone. Then remove yourself from the area and regroup. If you have this mentality, a sap is quite an effective weapon.

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You have the right to bear arms. Period. If you use it to defend yourself and someone says it was illegal for you to have then you shouldn't have quit shooting.

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Not nearly enough.

Pack lube. Or not.

Enjoy the ride.

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if your writing an talking about ............ a long time

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antique firearms are guns made before 1899. they generally dont fire ammo that uses a cartridge, which means powder and a wad. Plenty of people were killed by "6 shooters" of the old west, though.

you ask, "how does this affect me low_five, why do I give a shit about antique firearms"

more at this link
http://www.rawles.to/Pre-1899_FAQ.html

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^^^

Real gangsters tote flintlocks!

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certain revolvers are antique, but must be loaded with powder and wad.

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You guys that worry about confiscation really sound paranoid. Nobody's coming to get your guns, gold or silver. You don't need to load PVC pipes with them and bury them in your back yard, it's just not going to happen!

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The Glock 21 isnt too large for CCW carry. I carry a full sized Taurus 24/7 pro .45 with a IWB holster and nobody knows the wiser. I wear a shirt size bigger and always have it untucked.

http://taurus45acp.com/

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This would probably be an assualt with a deadly weapon, a felony.

Get the bear size pepper spray, as it's plenty effective 99.99% of the time and would be thrown out in light of your self defense plea